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 Posted - 10 Sep 2003 : 23:35:22
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I am a furry and the culture is very hard done by in the media.
[I haven't seen the episode in question...but I have an educated guess on how it will portray furryness...this is just some damage control before the fact]
Contrary to the usual media portrayal of our culture, we are not a sex cult and we are not violent. We do not have sex with animals, we do not take people off the streets and rape them, we do not hunt in packs and kill people, we do not "initiate" anyone...(*shudders*), we are not satanists (or any form of religion).
As a culture furryness is significantly closer to convention-going comic book fans and than our media stereotype. Most furry's just like anthropomorphic animal art (characters like mickey mouse, buggs bunny and ninja turtles) and occasionally go to conventions.
Most importantly furry is not primarlily a sexual culture...like any human culture there is a sexual component, but well over 90% of furs keep sex and furryness seperate (many due to the stereotype furs have in the media).
Most of the media portrayal of furry is based on information from an anti-furry group (about 20 members to my knowledge) known as "burnfur".
http://www.darklamb.com/~furie4jesus/index.html
Now it's been a while since I read this specific site, but as I recall it claims furry's are satan's footsoldiers, and that the culture was founded by nazi's, and that furry's are all canibals. I find this site useul because I can say "THIS IS EVERYTHING FURRYNESS IS NOT". Also this is one of the tamer and "more pleasant" burnfur sites.
What's a furry's perspective? What do we think of ourselves? Have a look. 
http://www.mongoose.net/intro.htm
http://www.flayrah.com/index.php
http://www.captainpackrat.com/
So...are we furry's the depraved threat to society we are portrayed to be? You be the judge.
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Posted - 12 Sep 2003 : 18:48:21
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i believe you
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Posted - 15 Sep 2003 : 03:38:02
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This is another burnfur site.
I believe it to be the one that inspired the one I already gave
http://www.pisoc.org/
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Posted - 15 Sep 2003 : 10:44:18
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ok
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Posted - 17 Sep 2003 : 01:58:31
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Notice the cohesive, organised nature of the furry culture there babydoll? lol.
Colt and I were both acting on our own...so it turns out we've both posted threads...
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Posted - 17 Sep 2003 : 13:06:56
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um, i know hardly anything about furries, i hadn't heard of them until you mentioned the episode, but i've read a few articles from various websites about the episodesm and i don't think its gonna be that offensive towards you
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Posted - 18 Sep 2003 : 00:48:25
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Not too offensive you say? That would be a pleasant surprise. 
I feel a little reassured at least.
Well, here's hoping.
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Posted - 18 Sep 2003 : 05:30:23
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| Good for you Stuart! Just as Science Fiction, Trek, and Anime fans are considered crazy by some, we do take it on the snoot by writers who dont know any furs and so believe the worst. As you say, we are mostly interested in art and friendship- nothing so odd about that! Lets hope DarkFox manages to tame the script enough that viewers dont think we are all a bunch of dangerous pervs! |
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Posted - 18 Sep 2003 : 10:53:11
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well good luck, and lets hope its not that bad, if it is, you could easily make a formal complaint!
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Posted - 18 Sep 2003 : 23:48:52
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I wandered in here more or less by accident, but seeing as I'm a fur, and one who does watch CSI from time to time (though sadly it's on Channel 5 here in the UK, and my C5 reception is terrible), I thought I might say something. Which is that the anti-furry sites that Stuart mentions are, thankfully, only (rather clever) parodies. Look here, for example:
http://www.darklamb.com/~furie4jesus/scriptbout.html
and you'll see, towards the bottom, "This site is a work of parody and/or satire. Your mileage may vary."
Don't get me wrong; there is a good deal of genuine misinformation about furry around - I'm probably going to scream the next time someone says, "oh, like that MTV documentary, then?" - but the two sites mentioned above are really having a go at the mindless attackers rather than at furry itself.
Finally, I'd like to back up the rest of what Stuart said - we're not all raving sex maniacs (honest! ); one of the most attractive things about furry is its very "broad church" feel. Furriness can mean anything from enjoying occasional Bugs Bunny cartoons to literally believing you have the soul of an animal. Most of us are somewhere in between.
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Posted - 19 Sep 2003 : 08:24:28
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Hey. I go by BlazeFox.Kitsuné.
(click my profile and click the pic to see my character image)
I'm a mix of just about everything. Goth, anime fan, furry and emulation enthusiast.
I heard about this thru 2 The Gryphon's "2 Sense" radio show.
http://www.werewolves.org/~two/index2.htm
(check out the rants as well they're great)
I watched the MTV documentary, and the TLC documentary as well (which was a little less racey and sex focused) I have no problem with any of these views (in my own opinion, there's no set description of WHAT furry is). I myself am a very sexual furre (sorry if I spell it my way) but I also don't go announcing my fetishes to people on the street.
I have no anger towards anyone who was in either of those documentaries. I just think that furries should be a little smarter and be weary of the mundane media. To them we're just freaks to trick and make fun of. Look at what happened when "The Man Show" came to Confurence (http://www.furries.info/press/)
I don't care if someone does something in a docu about furry that makes us look bad because really I don't give a damn. I care when they didn't step back and think about whats going to happen once they've done it. The fight between the "Sexual Furries" and "Cleanly Furries" is kind of dumb and it only causes division in our own community.
There are already jocks and preps who would love to beat our nerdy arses. We don't need furries having fights to the death in the halls of the convention hotels. And sadly sometimes those things happen when two furries don't agree with what the other does behind closed doors.
It may be an awesome thing to Mr. "Dark Fox" that he's getting to do this plot for the show. My advice for him is just try not to get f-cked over and made out to be look like a fool. You'll end up an outcast within the fandom, just like Yote. I don't wish for that to happen to anyone else.
Dark Fox seems like a smart person though. Hope you do well sir. It seems like your ifluence would be more of a help to how the plot goes. I'm sure if you weren't there explaining the bits and pieces to the producers they would probably yank some stereotypes from the Vanity Fair or MTV specials and use them.
-BFK =^.^=
Why I'm not proud to be an american.
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"God is love.
God is war.
TV preacher,
Tell me more."
-Erasure (that really gay 80's band I like)
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Posted - 19 Sep 2003 : 11:44:02
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<Phew>
I've been worried for days now that somefur would read my post and be angry at me...for "going public" at all.
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Posted - 19 Sep 2003 : 11:46:46
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So thanks for the positive replies...it's a load off my mind.
Btw I know that one's a parody...that's why I chose it...
Didn't I say it was a parody? Ooops.
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Posted - 19 Sep 2003 : 12:58:01
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"that's another load off my mind"! don't worry, I'm not even sure exactly what furries are, but from what i can see form your posts, you all seem like really nice people, i'm sure "Fur and Loathing" will show that,
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Posted - 20 Sep 2003 : 04:27:06
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There are many sites and groups discussing this episode, but I found out about it on the news site www.flayrah.com.
(It is mostly animal and furry news, all clean. I'm one of those `furitans' ,Blaze, but I dont fight about it!)
Anyway, the headline there (Furries on TV) has links to Dark Fox's interesting livejournal entries. He also posted a comment at Flayrah. He really is trying to steer the storyline away from the blanket statement that this hobby is only about dressing up as animals for sex. That sort of statement is just as wrong as saying that all teachers (or priests) are pedophiles.
Standards do matter, and first impressions count. As one of the Flayrah posts says, most people have never heard of furries and have never met a fur (those in this hobby, BD), but even if they watch a TV episode and think furries were the writer's invention, that will change fast if the see a newspaper article for a furry convention. Then the vague impression will turn to thots of a collection of perverts. No hobby or fandom needs _that_!
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Posted - 20 Sep 2003 : 09:10:28
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there really is nothing you can do abut it though, except complain to CBS at www.cbs.com maybe they'll give you an insight into what the episode's all about! and then you can decide on whether or not you'd mind them showing the episode!
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Posted - 20 Sep 2003 : 12:57:58
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BlazeFox: I see your point there, and sure, we can be guilty of shooting ourselves in the foot on occasion by infighting and pointless politics. But I do think that we ought to be a little less scared of the mainstream media, actually - I know you didn't say this, but some furs seem to want to live in a "hermetically sealed box", and I don't really think that's sensible.
Roocat: I like the word "furitan" - much better than "Burned Fur" if you ask me! Personally, I don't object to the sexual sideof things, so long as people are sensible (eg keeping it away from children), but don't have much interest in it myself.
Finally, for anyone interested, I think this essay I dug up from Google is quite well done:
http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/scriptuthors/Lightflow/furry.htm
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Posted - 21 Sep 2003 : 03:50:18
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BD, As Loganberry said, isolation wont work. I dont think there
is any value in protests to CBS because they will run the show
regardless of what a few thousand hobbyests think. DarkFox is
an entertainment insider so his input and the help of the So-Cal
Furries group working directly with the writers will be more
useful by far. I hope!
Several posts ago you said you didnt know much about our fandom, so although Im not an expert, I'll try to explain some of
the appeal of `furry' to me.
Without going philosophical, here is my opinion and attempt:
Most people like animals, and many have pets. But there is a
problem with all animals- they are stupid! Most pet owners dont
care, but not me- it's almost painful that I cant talk with my
cats. It feels like such a waste- like they have been cheated
of the chance to really be someone!
I suspect many furs feel the same, and because the real world
doesnt permit animals to be real, intelligent friends, we do
what we can to fake it so- drawing animals as people, writing
stories of their adventures and ideas, and sometimes dressing up
like favorite characters for parades and conventions (There are
dozens of `cons' around the world, with more every year).
Since their beginning, humans have been telling stories to
create and share interesting fantasy worlds- very often with
animal-people. Furry is one such shared `world'.
One would expect the writers of TV shows to understand fantasy!
Admittedly there are extremes (that is true in every human
activity), but for most of us it isnt about sex- which is why
seeing all furrydom portrayed that way is disturbing.
I know the CSI writers have to produce an interesting show, but
they needn't go the lazy `they are all bad' direction, and I hope
they are learing enough more to prevent it.
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Posted - 21 Sep 2003 : 06:13:05
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I had arather discouraging experience with a girl claiming to be a Burned Fur. Her name was CCrimson Goddess. I only knew her on AIM for a week. I talked to her and we related on some stuff.then I accidentally slipped to her that I was a plushophile. I didn't expect her to react the way she did. It was quite negative.
She started calling me sick f@gg0t and other sort of hurtful slander and saying that "The fandom looks bad because of lesb0s and f@gs like you who get off on screwing plushies and humping each other in suits" after a barrage of insults I blocked her. Kind of a let down because I had thought she was such a nice person for that week that I knew her.
After that I didn't want anything to do with anyone who called themselves "Burned Fur" Such self righteous jerks. I saw them as being the 700 Club of the furry community. The zealots who make it hard for the rest of us.
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I'm one of those `furitans' ,Blaze, but I dont fight about it!)
by - roocat on Sep 20 2003 04:29:14
God is love.
God is war.
TV preacher,
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Posted - 21 Sep 2003 : 06:49:18
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u guys really feel strongly bout this don't u?
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Posted - 22 Sep 2003 : 05:31:18
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Some more than others, BD. I'm an easy-going sort, but I
agree with Blaze on this. Some otherwise fine friends think
I am crazy, so I avoid the subject with them and they are fine
with that.
I try to see the other side while personally avoiding practices of
which I disapprove, but there is no excuse for any sensible
person to suddenly tell him off in terms that would make a long-
shoreman blush!
Cutting your losses is all that can be done in situations where
explanation and achieving an understanding fail, and though
that is true in all aspects of life, we do seem to collect a lot of
`opportunities' to get good at it!
Sorry that happened to you Blaze
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